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I'm thinking that... [Aug. 19th, 2010|12:08 am]
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Whenever Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, or Glenn Beck are referred to, their names should be prepended with "racist bigot". As in, "Racist bigot Sarah Palin believes that..."
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[User Picture]From: randallsquared
2010-08-19 11:23 am (UTC)

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Really? Do you think that using loaded language to try to make people flinch away from actually thinking about someone's position or arguments is not likely to backfire on other positions or arguments that no right-thinking person would hold, like libertarian ones?
[User Picture]From: chris_goodwin
2010-08-19 03:45 pm (UTC)

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Honestly, I'm tired of trying to engage them at that level.
[User Picture]From: tfbretz
2010-08-19 07:54 pm (UTC)

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Word.
[User Picture]From: chris_goodwin
2010-08-19 08:54 pm (UTC)

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Randall, if what you're saying is, how does that improve the discourse and open up a dialog, then... maybe you have a point.

But I'm honestly tired of trying to improve the discourse and open up a dialog with people who just want to hate people who are different, for being different -- not only hate them but legislate hate against them. And it should be okay to call them on it, to tell them to fuck off, because that shit is not ok.

Are there more effective ways of telling them to fuck off? Almost certainly.

Is there a libertarian case against calling someone a racist bigot? From my 20 years in the libertarian movement, no. Free speech and all that.
[User Picture]From: randallsquared
2010-08-20 01:09 am (UTC)

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I'm certainly not saying it should be illegal to call someone a racist bigot. Instead, I'm saying that it's probably not useful for people in a political minority to get in the habit of using rhetorical tricks that depend on at least a plurality.

But maybe I haven't been paying enough attention to know why these particular would-be tyrannists are worse than all the other sorts. I'm not even sure what legislation you're talking about. Politics. Sigh.
[User Picture]From: randallsquared
2010-08-20 01:12 am (UTC)

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I got tired of trying to engage them on that level a while back, but this is more about retaining your ability to engage other people at a time of your choosing, without being shouted down with insults.
[User Picture]From: eroticlildevil
2010-08-19 09:42 pm (UTC)

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I agree.
[User Picture]From: zigguratbuilder
2010-08-20 01:49 am (UTC)

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I dunno if being anti-religious is racism here. Is there a word for "racism but against religions"? Or better yet, "Anit-Constitution/Anti-Freedom/Freedom-hating"?

"Freedom-hating bigot Glen Beck retorted to claims today that he..."

-Andy
[User Picture]From: chris_goodwin
2010-08-20 01:53 am (UTC)

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I would say it's difficult to tell whether the bigotry is related to religion or race. But you're right. "Christianist" (back-construction from "Islamist")?